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Match Review Out of Nowhere vs Apocalypse
Lunar Tick May 6, 2018 80 replies 983 views
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TL DR: A lopsided affair. Apocalypse took the win in stride.

Review:

In watching this match, most people will have complaints in mind regarding the map and whether or not it should a valid choice for USL. However, the decision for the validity of this map was made a long time ago and if it wasn't appealed then, then for tonight's match it should be valid still as far as the league is concern.

Since taking up the mantle of leadership, the current leader of Out of Nowhere (OON) has made many unorthodox choices to mix things up and make it a more... unique experience for both the viewer and his opponents. Choosing this map tonight is one such choice.

On paper, Lava station is a great choice for a squad relying on support troops like Ripper and Snipers to carry the team. The strange terrain coupled with death-trap like corridors will hamper the more aggressive/mobile team and favor the ... camping/defensive team. The physics also make it deadly for team to push into since the small choke points can be filled with LAWs and grenades in seconds.

Unfortunately, it is the execution part that failed OON tonight. Their habit of falling back (and in the process abandoning their teamates) and clumping up allows Apocalypse to slip through many choke points uncontested. Basic choke point holding tactics like throwing nades and Laws were severely absent. With the team falling back too fast, it is hard for their Ripper Gunner and Sniper to set up their aim and streams. And even when the Sniper or Ripper succeeded in weakening an opponent, the constant falling marines could not hope to capitalize on time.

As for Apocalypse, they were initially cautious with the strange and rarely played terrain. However that initial caution is quickly thrown to the wind as they tried to catch up with the constantly retreating enemy! They did not have to fear choke points, knowing a regular push with just 1 or 2 marines is enough to scare off 4-5 OON players. With the enemy scattered and out of position, most of the battles were just merely clean up action of the stragglers that OON left to die.

OON did attempt to move and tried various strategies to exit their base to give battle but the angles and their reactionary tendency foiled them over and over again. In the end they got tired of trying to exit the base and Apocalypse was just as tired of backing off to let them try and it become a trenching fight... One that will no doubt be a focal point to the many appeals made about this map in the coming days.

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🔱 Clique CO
Good write up, I appreciate the timeliness of your report. That being said I'll have mine up in a day or two lol
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Advisor 💎 x4 🤝 good guys
You were on our mumble so you basically got to hear firsthand what we thought of the map. It was confusing and nobody knew what to do which was a good strategy on Back's part to pick the map. Unfortunately it was a big waste of time for everyone involved because the ref didn't know what he was doing per usual. The game shouldn't have even been played to begin with, it wasn't a part of the map pool. Also making up rules as you go... "these guys are allowed to go back behind their rape line because you guys are a superior squad". Okay

As for the map itself it's pretty bad for league play imo, the rapelines/choke points do the exact opposite of what they are supposed to do. They are way too small and you can easily trap a team inside as shown tonight, going out another exit is also fairly obvious because of how far they are spread out. A lot of the physics seem to be wrong, vision over a lot of lava areas didn't work.

good write up though LT
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Sorry you guys wasted your time tonight.
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League Analyst 💎 x10 🥇 Gentlemen
Anyone see me shit on backs 2-1? Mecca best sniper in the game
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Video will be up soon.
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Mecca wrote:
Anyone see me shit on backs 2-1? Mecca best sniper in the game
It's all on video too
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Tactical wrote:
You were on our mumble so you basically got to hear firsthand what we thought of the map. It was confusing and nobody knew what to do which was a good strategy on Back's part to pick the map. Unfortunately it was a big waste of time for everyone involved because the ref didn't know what he was doing ...
I dont know why a USL match was played on that map. It shouldn't even be up in a USL zone in its current state. Maybe for 4on4s. Take it down
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It's honestly the worst piece of shit I've ever played on its even worse than lz assault somehow
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Tactical wrote:
You were on our mumble so you basically got to hear firsthand what we thought of the map. It was confusing and nobody knew what to do which was a good strategy on Back's part to pick the map. Unfortunately it was a big waste of time for everyone involved because the ref didn't know what he was doing ...
Under Navigation > Introductions

Or click this link below.

http://www.uslzone.com/usl/introduction.php

Unified Skirmish League is a league run by Infantry players that plays in the zone "[I:League] USL". If you are unfamiliar with the game you can find more information here.

Read the last sentence of rule 7.4.

7.4 Players cannot re-enter their own rape lines under any circumstance. The offending player(s) will be removed immediately and the team will lose that player slot for 5 minutes. Should a player cross back into their own rape lines with 1 minute or less left in the game, a kill will be awarded to the opposing team for every player that crosses. This rule can be declared void by the Referee if a vastly superior squad is base raping a much weaker one.

I guess you volunteer to ref. Didn't make any New rules and besides all refs are different and has the power. A player can't argue a ref lol. Just play it and appeal. Couldn't care less what was the outcome of the appeal was cause if the healing stats were saved, I don't think there is going to be an appeal but that's my opinion.
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If healing stats were saved.
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Advisor 💎 x4 🤝 good guys
Well your judgement is bad, when you declared said rule the score was 17-10 which is still close. Since when are you the authority on what squads are vastly superior. You fuck up every single season and the only reason nothing ever happens about it is because nobody else wants to ref, if this was SOE you would have been dropped after your first season as ref.

and no before you ask me why I don't ref then, the game is full of entitled people who shit on staff for anything (ironic right), I wouldn't waste my time or yours for that matter.
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cool i fucked up every single season. lol. it's opinions anyways. yeah reffing is a waste of time. i should quit. im serious. this whole rules, or whatever you call the rules is. perceptions and so on. i should of specced metal and driven. would that been better if that did happened. maybe or maybe not. you were shitting their base thoughout the game lmfao but yeah i should of specced them =/. it should have been better and base rape them. =/. whatever.
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Tactical wrote:
Well your judgement is bad, when you declared said rule the score was 17-10 which is still close. Since when are you the authority on what squads are vastly superior. You fuck up every single season and the only reason nothing ever happens about it is because nobody else wants to ref, if this was SO ...
True true shit on all the time, even by friends.
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Advisor 💎 x4 🤝 good guys
funny because I haven't spoken a single word to you in probably 3-4 seasons

i'll let you take your jab though
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lol.
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Tactical wrote:
funny because I haven't spoken a single word to you in probably 3-4 seasons i'll let you take your jab though
Sorry Ernie, it wasn't meant to be towards you. I know we haven't spoken in a while just this statement. "the game is full of entitled people who shit on staff for anything (ironic right)" speaks several words.
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Advisor 💎 x4 🤝 good guys
it's been like that since s1 of FI, I don't know how some of you do it, I wouldn't have the patience

the only bad admin has been dave

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Tactical wrote:
it's been like that since s1 of FI, I don't know how some of you do it, I wouldn't have the patience the only bad admin has been dave
tell me about that. what a dick head lol.
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Tactical wrote:
You were on our mumble so you basically got to hear firsthand what we thought of the map. It was confusing and nobody knew what to do which was a good strategy on Back's part to pick the map. Unfortunately it was a big waste of time for everyone involved because the ref didn't know what he was doing ...
Thanks Ernie, yeah i was there and thanks to Mark for allowing me the visit to your channel during the match.

There was only one ruling last night (speaking as a non biased, non team person) that I found a bit weird and almost adhoc. And that ruling was that sniper had to be out of the rape line to shoot. I do understand that no other map has trench protection and so it would make sense to try and prevent the sniper from abusing this. But for years we have not had a match on this map so that ruling was the only thing that seems out of place.

Now the rape line were called that to prevent base rape from being all the way at the DS. My own personal opinion is if a team didn't want to back off to allow a team to exit, then they are asking for and is willing to accept being shot at from the team that is stuck inside their own rape line. Sniper or no sniper, the team that is trying to break out should be allowed to do what they need in order to do so. Naturally, the sniper once out of base will not be able to run back into the rape line to hide behind the trench, so I am not seeing why the ruling had to be in place at all.

As for ruling on the map's validity, it really isn't Infinite's call to make. And Infinite shouldn't have to explain anything regarding why the game was on that map. The map is tagged and approved by league admin in the past and tonight was just an extension of that past ruling.

I do hope though that the league admin would step in and defend its refs. If not to take the heat off any personal bias on the Ref, then at least clarify the rulings.
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