If I knew a team had a sniper in the open I would definitely rush him as opposed to stayin in a stalemate. If you're having multiple streams put on the sniper he is A) going to die very quickly, or B) not going to be able to get shots off/wasting medic resources.

I don't know if it would be good or not, but I'm interested in testing it since the class is unplayable. Don't write something off that hasn't been tried.

Apollo you really think these weak fools are going to give sniper 80+HP shots??? after what I did to them in SL I think they are traumatized. I would kill both medics every battle and it would be GG after that. They don’t want me winning a USL ring dawg.

GIVE SNIPERS 60HP HEALTH AND 81HP DAMAGE SHOTS. LEGGGOOOO

I knew I loved Apollo deep down, and this is the reason. He’s a man that gets it. He knows how to improve he game. Why isn’t he admin???

Like you write off the spec ops class?

Also a sniper out in the open is a BAD player with BAD positioning, you can say that about ANY class if they're in a bad spot.

Not at all, I believe I said multiple times I would like to test it.. I just simply said it seems retarded and wouldn't add it RIGHT NOW because multiple people think it's op as fuck.

It's about balance, I don't think you understand that. Do you currently think Sniper is balanced the way it is? Absolutely not imo and probably a lot more peoples opinion as nobody plays it (aside from backs). So I would love to hear some constructive ways in which you think you can improve the class instead of writing off other peoples ideas without testing it.

How about instead of adding another class you do this:

Sniper renamed to Spec Ops. 80hp and retains the full Sniper loadout that's currently in the game except you give it an item on a 5 minute cooldown that transforms you into the current Spec Ops at 100hp or whatever it is you have in game right now. Lasts for 1 minute. Gives that class a choice on whether or not they want to play from range or get up close in the fights depending on how the battle is playing out. Obviously while you're transformed into a Spec Ops you no longer have the sniper rifle until the buff falls off.

Aren't they already increasing HP so that it doesn't get melted as fast? We haven't tested that yet you wanna jump straight to 80hp hits. lolwut?

Yeah and I posted a different idea because I don't think giving it the ability to withstand 1-2 more marine AR bullets will make the class any more playable, do you?

Rather have a damage beef and 50hp.

I think what I posted was constructive, and would like to test that which is why I posted that. understandlol?

It’s def not balanced. And I’m the only person who plays it because the snipers who play now don’t have the skill level to land 2-3 shots back to back like I can easily do. It’s not in their skill set. This is why I’m the only one who plays snipers. I say let’s balance the class out so these weaker snipers will play the class again.

So we dismissed the thing we're about to test because we already think it won't work, got it.

I did play some sniper during scrims this past season, and while I'm not good with the class I was able to shoot and call out focus fire during the game to some effect. Thats ME doing that. So the HP buff could help, maybe the class just needs to be explored in different ways.

Not dismissed at all, it was already at 80hp which is why in Demon's original post it said it was reverted BACK. No need to test it. Got that or do you need to re-read?

That's before we gave it a pdw and hand grenades?

Can we get an infiltrator class to counter snipers? OW has a cloaked class. LoL has a cloaked class. Infil can also help break camps and spot the enemy. I heard noskeeper wanted a plasma cannon so we can just let infils use plasma bomb to give those people who want plasma cannon a stick.

I personally think there is a lot of bickering going on here that is way too early. Play some SBs tonight in the Test Zone (originally KP, currently running EC for a map) and let's go from there.

Testing a 20 hp buff that was already implemented in the past shouldn't be the most drastic thing to test about the class in the off season. Apparently we disagree on that.

Inside of my bickering I am genuinely trying to get something constructive and am actively looking to test things out in the next couple weeks. This is an open forum for the discussion and I think so far this thread has been pretty good. There are no insults or anything thrown out.

I can't offer a differing opinion? I've just said what I think will happen if it happens, presented my arguement based on how I've played the game. I didn't say anything about not testing it, we haven't even tested the changes given in this thread yet. Its ok when people disagree with you Apollo. I'm not very vocal when it comes to class changes when it comes to other classes. I do have a little insight on how medic is played. I know how I played against Snipers in SL. It wasn't easy with the trees. I was just giving my two cents.

The only logical conclusion is to move USL to CTFPL and add turrets and flags and make it 10v10 and have summoners.

I'm just genuinely curious how everyone on that list got together and thought that revamping classes and adding new ones was the direction we should go.

Yeah I'm not sure but a lot of this stuff doesn't seem logical or thought out, you might as well make a new league at this point. Call me a baby or whatever but if a lot of these go into the game I won't be playing this season, I came back to play SK, not this garbage.