Any player joining a squad that was not already on a squad that season, should have their eligibility waved for regular season matchups. Much like the rule works for week 1.

Don't think that's a good idea. A player could wait until a pivotal matchup and join at the last second to heavily skew results, leaving afterwards and then serving a normal period of eligibility while waiting to join whatever actual squad they want on.

Agreed with medic, poorly thought out idea

This proposal is fine.

Its up to the squads to recruit and use players who are loyal and wont do what Metal is suggesting.

It's already happened r, palms squad did this by allowing some of sov followers to join just to leave after a match. Bad idea.

So people skip week 1, join for a pivotal matchup week 2, then leave, they wouldn't be eligible for week 3 and if they did week 3 that's usually when roster lock happens so it'd be a moot point

That happened once, and in this case they wouldn't be eligible for week 3 and roster lock prevents it from happening week 3

Why not just ask the other captain if they mind if So and So play? If the other captain doesn't have a issue with that person playing i don't see it being a big deal with what Jordan said considering they was not in a squad prior.

Well, that goes against the rules though, just like when you were reffing our match Sunday. It's why Emp ruled killer couldn't play. But also I'd like to see the player eligible if the other captain agrees or not.

I'm against this for a few reasons. But we can definitely poll it and discuss it after the season.

My reasoning for being against it though:

1) the NT rules should be clear cut and objectively applied to everyone the same, not a week by week / captain by captain basis. I'm all for exceptions in unique cases like Whoa/Whoa 2.0, but it shouldn't be a regular thing.

2) there's already been instances in the past where subverting the wait timer rules were abused (S13 and S14?) I've been told on several occasions.

3) this adds an extra hurdle to the refs imo. It is minor, but now refs will be expected to scroll through the log and make sure they don't see a player as being on a previous squad? What happens if they miss it? Now that opposing squad can appeal and we gotta go through that process.

As it stands, ineligible players can play if you don't have enough eligible players online. This should be good enough imo. The potential for abuse outweighs the need for squads having last minute recruits, especially when we already have the NT rule system if you are short on players.

But, I'll make a note to poll this topic after this season like I said. We can make changes to eligibility and NT usage. I think Riley had some suggestions too. This can all be part of a larger discussion.

Rules were put in place to prevent the loaner program.
If a squad recruits a free agent for week2, they play a match and bail, it is the squad's fault for recruiting someone who isnt loyal. Use the players who are loyal to you. Rules can only go so far.

Problem with that is I think some squads will definitely take on some loaners if it means winning an important match.

Who are some important squadless players atm? noskeeper/Tactical maybe? Say WA recruits them against AI to really try and secure that victory (hopefully in their minds anyways). Well say those 2 have great games and they play a huge part in WA winning. That win then gets WA into the playoffs. Tact and nos then quit and join friend for the playoffs.

It's an unlikely extreme example. But I've been told this scenario was happening regularly a few seasons back. It's why ineligible players were reclassified as first up NTs.

Jordan trying to set himself up for some bullshit.

Refs should be checking squads and players anyways and all the refs know the players too. There are less than 100 people who play it's not that hard to keep track of.

This scenario was not happening regularly at all, it happened with sov and Yosh joining a shit squad to get a win and it's never happened before or since (as far as this rule is concerned).

So we're punishing people who want to play in matches, if wa can swing Ernie/nos for next week we're going to deny them that why? Because they're going to join friends after? Ok, so you're punishing the player twice for joining two squads. How is that conducive to upping population and keeping our players happy?

This is in direct response to killer not being able to play last week despite us being his first squad of the season and if it were a week earlier he'd be eligible.

There's literally zero good reasons for this rule to go in to place.

So maybe you should stop picking apart the many reasons NOT to.

I literally just said a reason brewsdp.

And they would be shit bags for benching dedicated members for temporary players. Rules wont stop capts from selling out for a win

Exactly. Captains will bend the rules and screw over their own players for a win, no doubt about it. So the rules must remain rigid on NT's and consistent.

I take it brewsdp is medic's new alias?


This big issue has only happened once with fucking PALM as the squad captain. One instance in how many different squad leaders we've had in FI? That's the reason to not put this through, seems logical.