If a captain didn't want it, he should have notified the main referee. If the referee still went ahead and made it 10vs10, the error falls on him.

To make it easier, I'm going to assume both captains agreed to 10vs10. I don't give a shit if it is or isn't in the rules, the referee made the call to go with it. Since we have such an awesome Admin and all these logical referees currently in place, I'm sure they made the right decision and there shouldn't be any arguments. The game happened with these calls, so it's over. The only real question now concerns the rules.

I've told ya'll to update rules on-site and in-game probably over 100 times, including before the season started. So there really shouldn't be complaints coming from anywhere... and from Sammy's evidence it seems to show that they were updated before Sunday's match.

So.. wait.. what is everyone fighting about? Ethics? Morals? What?

I have no idea what the fuck is going on. I just got back from camping.

Happy Victoria Day!

#endcase

Stat padding is going to happen, regardless. From what I can tell (not being in-game), the IV/SA game probably still would have been a blowout.

However, I always wanted 10v10 as a captain because I knew I could stat pad and not really try. It's hard to lead against a good squad with 10s, so of course we would always go 8s against those teams. It just sucks that with the current state of the league, this is just something that the captains of the best squads should take upon themselves and not do. It doesn't benefit the league when a squad fades/loses a lot of players as a result of a shellacking.

If your excuse is really "so players who don't usually play get to play" then you're dumb. I always got people playing time. I only guaranteed my starters minutes against the other top teams. Any team not a 1 or 2 seed I would give out playing time. I think Sabotage was the only guarantee to play when he showed up.

If they're serious about the 10s then I hope they've been requesting it in every match, and not just the stat pad one.

The rules were updated but nothing in sect 1 or 2. Dont know when the site's rule was updated but in game it wasnt touched so conflicting rules going on there. Even I made a post about changing the rules and I never got feedback or an ok so I only updated what armor put in captains forums. Anyways navy its being discussed, more to the 10v10 than just the rules.

Yeah, I didn't take out the 10v10, it wasn't in there.

There are some league perceptions/activities that we should change if we really do want to grow. One was moving private scrims to public (do you think that helped get guys like ayb, noskeeper, etc. more interested in USL?). Another is that we need to stop treating lower-tiered squads as stat pad games and blowing them out. It would have been more interesting if both CK and IV played their "worst" lineups (which are both still very strong) against these squads to give them a remote chance of keeping it close. That also gives players in the top-tiered squads play time that wouldn't normally get it (and you can go scrim your best guys before/after against the other 115 people that are online on Sundays).

I do think SA/Legends/etc. can get better by playing & watching people better than them (that holds true for any game), but I think we should take it upon ourselves not to try to completely overpower and discourage them (unless they really want to see what a squad like CK/IV can do to them).

Whatever the case is, discuss and update the rules on-site and in-game asap. Do that shit with your staff, captains, anyone else. Just get it done and it will mitigate the amount of complaints that fall towards the staff during the season.

Don't just stress and discuss the 10vs10 situation. Update it all. Use the sticky forum on rules in the discussion forum as a base including the input from other players to make final rules (for this season).

Get 'er done doods.

sound advice from a sound usl champion

RIP SA. Can't believe y'all IV :(

This wasn't the first or worst loss for SA, they'll bounce back.

Drift, you couldn't be more wrong. The only reason we wanted 10v10 is because we had 13-14 players online and wanted to get more people into what was very likely going to be a blowout anyway. You know, for fun, not some stupid concept of e-stats in the 30th season of this league LOL. I don't know why that is so hard for you to accept.

Second, we did play our "worst" lineup online. Ninj (best marine in the game?), yosh and I were in spec for the duration. The reason we didn't play was because all 3 of us were doing stuff for SL Live. You know, for the "benefit of the league."

Should we throw the game on purpose next time to benefit the league as well? You guys seem to have this notion that if the game were 8v8 it would have magically been close. If you scale the result of our game back 20% you get 108-37. Those numbers are significantly worse than what CK put up last week against Legends in an 8v8.

"Because let's be real, we know why you wanted 10v10."

No, you don't, sorry pal. We go back Drift and I have lots of respect for you but your in-game leading talents don't make you a mind reader.

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Yes I'm taking this post too seriously but it's sad for me to see head staff members rolling in here taking some weird moral stand against my squad when you haven't got a clue.

0% of the population believes you went 10v10 for any reason other than to stat pad.


Ninj never plays stat pads.

Tris/Herc/Khaos dont carry about e-stats? LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLMAO)

Prisoner, whatever you claim your intention was, you should have anticipated the result and how it would be received. Yosh isn't an idiot and he knew exactly what he was doing regardless if you did or not, any other squad would have dismissed the idea knowing that it would only increase the frustration of a squad trying to find something to stand on.

Anyways, its ultimately the fault of the leaders, and more so of whoever agreed to it on SA, its called subs, try that next time.

shut up drift

Now SA is going to fade because of these newbs.

LOL Mecca - coming from the guy who ditched his squad 3 days before the season to hop to a better team, AND went 21-0 vs Legends.

Not everyone thinks like you bro.

It should be set at 8v8, as the standard.. no negotiation. and I thought it was. Pandy is an idiot. While I personally don't care about stats, I'm sure everyone here cares about the playoff picture and more often than not stats do matter when it comes to that. Other squads won't get to pad their stats against SA like you guys did, so down the road should there be a tie for playoff seeds or something and IV has the better stats it does make a difference.

Rules are there for a reason. If they're broken shouldn't there be a consequence? Especially since the person agreeing to the stupid 10v10 left mid way through the match and the current squad captain refused to play in the 10v10 because he didn't agree to it.

If you show 13-14 vs the next best team (CK???), are you going to push for 10s to get some of your team some playing time? I find that hard to believe because I know I wouldn't do it. 10s is a cluster fuck.

If I had to take a guess, I would assume that your team was at SA's base most, if not all, of the game.

And I'm pretty sure I mentioned that it was going to be a blowout either way. But a 10v10 blowout is a lot different than an 8v8 one.

Also, tris, f u. You don't talk to me on fb anymore. We are OVER!!!!

EDIT: and when I get in game, CK/IV don't matter. Worms gonna be #1. kippa I'm coming for you.

Drift, disappear please.
Never come back.

LOL Iceman is right. If you were so concerned about playing time, why not do subs? There's no limit on the amount of subs you can make. Could've subbed the rest of your squad in for the second half and gotten everyone playing time. Even if someone on SA agreed to a 10v10, you should know a 10v10 is difficult and hectic for a new squad and leader to handle. Lets see you guys ask for a 10v10 vs cobra kai