it's funny u have this camping issue and yall think giving the location is the fix... hello 99% of the time they know where the fuck they are they are just too pussy to push into the area so they stay at a distance LOL OR both teams are too pussy to push / make something happen because everyone has a giant ass monitor and you can't just sneak up and surprise people because the vision is so damn vast and abundant for everyone

You want all of these support classes (nader / ripper / demo etc) that are just dumb to push into and push with... and you think it's going to open up more pushing and create more dynamic battles???

So now we get these pussy fart battles just wasting ammo until 1 team has a couple guys run out of ammo then you get some bs battle with people low on ammo or 0 ammo.. ohhh but yeah just call out the locations that will be the fix..mmmmmmmmmmk

how about - IF we keep the matches public, then banning anyone live streaming it, if they do not delay it by 5+ minutes

I feel like we've had this exact same conversation about rules/etc like 50 times by now.

If you guys want to enforce rules, sign up to referee.

Like others have said, camp timer doesn't solve the issue of two teams not engaging each other, it's just no one wants to push bad angles/lose their angle advantage so drawn out fights happen. The only use for that rule is when a team is hiding behind a rock/etc and trying to ambush. There is no punishment for sitting in one spot all game besides your coords being given/base lines voided, which both don't matter if you're sitting in a spot away from your base. If you want to avoid people camping in one spot you need to give them a reason to move, otherwise why would they?

Also, I'd like to hear some ideas from people bringing it up on how to enforce a rule to make teams move. Use the DS/K Dude game last weekend and give me some examples of how you would approach it rule-wise to avoid that scenario in the future.

You can't force people to move unless there is a reason/objective. There is a reason every competitive e-sport is never a deathmatch, I was watching a competitive CoD game and one team got a kill and it was just a camp fest for 15 minutes.

An idea I've seen floating around is Search and Destroy like Counterstrike.

Have a bomb, and multiple plant sites. (more dynamic version of SL)

Instead of buying weapons/grenades etc each round you just have people chose classes and have the same/altered class limitations we currently have (2 meds, 1 demo, etc).

Home team picks what side they start on Terrorists/Counter-Terrorists. First to 6 wins

Making maps would be much easier as well, because the maps would be smaller, and you don't have to worry about baselines at all.

We also already have objectives coded into the game with picking up and dropping off at certain locations (BH Sargeants). Could just make it so everyone on Terrorists can pick it up so if the player carrying the bomb dies they can still retrieve it and take it to the plant sites.

The only issue I really see it's not pub friendly, because it's unbalanced when you start getting over 7v7s, 8v8s and no respawning.

I've been talking about that for awhile bringing up ideas to MP and I think TyreaL for a new league.

Would need to make it so 1 life and you're specced with no hp regen I think and 3 min rounds.
Hardest thing would be reffing. Unspeccing and restarting multiple times per match would be a pain in the ass.

You're definitely right though, it would be strictly for league play.. which arguably is the only reason this game is around anyway.

I have been suggesting a round based snd type game since the early 2000s.. the game mode would be epic

The fact ideas like doing 2 15minute halves are shut down just proves how closed minded people are to the idea of change.

There is no reason we can't look at successful games / leagues and try and create our own spin on them.

People were against the changes that saved SBL when they shrunk the map and went to 1 goalie with a smaller net..

USL has been the most boring league for me since fukin 2007 .. I never cared about it .. it's cool people still play it now but I'll never understand how yall love running around these maps for 30 minutes doing all of these scrims and shit. Sure there are new maps now so imagine back in the day on the same map for years lol holy shit yall are cooked..

One of you smart mfers have the capabilities to create a sick SND type game / league.. smaller maps .. 5v5 or 6v6.. more teams more competition, more game play, more action.. or we can just continue to run around these maps for 30 minutes posturing for the same angles and positions over and over again

IDK if it's possible either but even creating some kind of hard point type game with the 30 minutes so kills aren't the main objective to win but still important because people love stats.. they say south is king but in reality stats are king BTW I ripped this in 1 shot and I'm not going back and proof reading shit

Yea reffing would be difficult for sure. Might need some Axidus magic to help out in that department. I would love to play an Infantry version of Search & Destroy though, that would be a lot of fun.

Maybe I make a hybrid CTF / SK zone with different rounds on different itemsets/maps. We'll see.

+1 hell yeah

Live streaming sounds great with a 3m delay.

I’d like to see smaller rosters 12/13 or smaller so that we have a shot at more squads.

I’d love to see 2 15m matches where each team plays both sides. Would be cool if it was just automated and at 15m switches sides and game is still on with same scoreboard.

More matches every Sunday if not lowering roster cap.

The roster caps rarely work, only a handful of people to make squads - you might seem some movement but usually its just people playing with who they want to play with or not at all

All of this can be done via scripting work by Axidus, would make for an interesting zone or a special league between 'classic' USL leagues, would definitely be a different dynamic.

The first FI USL season's champ game was 15 minute best of 3 games on EC, I would definitely prefer this if it was set up that it auto swapped at 15 so there's no downtime, momentum is huge so it cuts both ways and squads will have to plan their last minute engagements better.

Roster caps make no difference, forcing smaller rosters isn't going to get more teams unfortunately, players will just sit out if they can't play with their group or get on a squad they think they should start for.

In my head, I hate the idea of 2 15 minute matches when I can play 1 30 minute match. Because 2 15 minute games will always take more time than 1 30 minute game with subs, restarts, rosters, etc. 2 minutes running around 2 minutes+- with regrouping at various points in the game leaving me thinking im just running around with no ebb or flow. I believe 100% of the scores will be less than half of 30 minute games but maybe not? It makes it much easier to camp imo. You want to take longer to play 2 15 minute games rather than playing a 30 minute game? But I could be wrong what the fuck do I know?

Why watch another camp fest like k dude vs cocaine(insert yosh/apollo/darthexecute as leader vs other camper), if the 1st one isn't enough? Would that make it more competitive? If a 30 minute game isn't enough why playing 2 15 minute games make the game less campy? Is the issue camping or...people complaining about who plays who on what map?


I'm convinced freddy adu, great explanation, very convincing.

why are you so negative and against something you clearly haven't put any critical thought into?

The way I envision it, is when the 15m timer ends - sides are swapped instantly and teleported to DS and game is continuing. Not by ref command, but game design.

Need to double every classes ammo count but Ripper and their 800 bullets, and give med more ammo to drop. No more stalemates due to someone having 50 bullets left would be a big step in the right direction.