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Kays Krew 3 C
Feb 5, 2016 7:50 PM
Do a poll on unlimited ammo.
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Mizzouse
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Feb 5, 2016 7:53 PM
Everyone voted increasing the ammo seasons ago, medics having 2 laws as well was tested and after testing that it was taken out. Btw for everyone, drops from a player are based on what the player has and that cannot be changed. Ive looked at all of the settings and its just not there so this is coming from the client itself. Now if I set a player to drop x amount of ammo, that player would ONLY drop that one type of ammo and it would be the set amount all the time, so with that said increasing ammo capacity or ammo depots are the only way to fix this issue.
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Feb 5, 2016 8:15 PM
It seems unfair to discount just under 50% of the population in regards to vision. Just under 50% that voted, as it wasn't really up long enough to let everyone vote, voted not to increase vision distance.
More than 50% did vote for it, so if this is a democratic change, then a vision increase should be implemented. If you're going to implement either 10% or 25%, it should be 10% regardless if 25% wins in the current poll to take into account the half of the population that voted not to increase vision distance.
The current and previous polls are badly worded and misleading. Over half voted to increase, but I don't believe that you can ask the slim majority how much to increase vision distance by. That's just not fair. A compromise must be the lowest limit.
Further, because 51 players voted, when we've had over 100 vote before, that 5% winning vote can go either way given more time.
To call it a clear majority sounds like Maddux is trying to pass what he wants, especially when coupled with the quick switch to a poll asking how much to increase vision.
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Tactical
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Feb 5, 2016 8:36 PM
Stop changing shit that doesn't need to be changed. How would increasing vision deter camping? If anything it just makes it harder to push, now it's harder to flank, especially with a soloer. Good luck trying to be sneaky with your flanks or using vision to fall/set up quick ambushes.
Also nice biased poll, it should have been yes or no from the get go, where is the no option now?
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Mecca
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Gentlemen
Feb 5, 2016 8:47 PM
most of the polls are at or around 60 people, recently less.
I don't think you're hurrying a poll if over 50 people voted...
The poll with 88 players voting was up for a very long time and should be disregarded
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Kays Krew 3
Feb 5, 2016 9:03 PM
The average number of voters for all polls (29 which excludes the current) is 73. If you average the last 10 polls (from S5 until now), it is 76. That number is not including the poll about me which had 115. The most recent polls have seen a reduction in voters though. I check the site probably every day, and I had only seen poll #29 an hour or so before it was changed to 30. What does that say for those who only check every other day or less?
It's possible the number wouldn't have changed by much given more time because not that many care, but impossible to say given that we've had as many as 115 people vote in one poll, though that poll was up for an inordinate amount of time.
Regardless, a 25% increase to vision distance should not be implemented. 10% should be the max, given that 45% in poll #29 voted not to increase it.
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why u niggas complain so much about a game thats been fun the way it is????
It's doesnt matter how much u try , Manu will get 7 rings in a row
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Maddux
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Feb 5, 2016 9:17 PM
Dave thanks for your thoughtful and reasonable response.
For the vision poll, I eliminated both the low (0%) and the high (50%), which leaves 10-25% as the two options.
Both the respawn time and vision length polls were up for 3 days. We felt this amount would allow the active player base enough time to see the new poll. People should be visiting the site at least once a day really if they want to participate in these discussions.
How long would you like polls to be left up? Keep in mind longer time means less discussion for improvements.
If you would like me to repost both the respawn time poll, which was 1 vote difference and the vision length poll which I believe was 6 votes difference, I am willing to do that.
Let me know thanks! Also, if you have any ideas or suggestions private message me because the forum spam/whining makes it difficult to keep up with the quality comments.
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Feb 5, 2016 9:27 PM
So people who don't agree with the way USL is being handled are immediately whiners? Why are you even involved in league decisions anyway Maddux? You've played a total of 3 games in 5 seasons. I'm not trying to sound like a dick but it's hard not to come off like one when it seems like every major league change comes without much discussion and most of the time from people that don't even play the game anymore(Armor, Drift, you).
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Feb 5, 2016 9:35 PM
Thanks Maddux. I think 3 days is a reasonable amount of time. I agree that those who are interested in effecting change should be checking the site often, particularly considering the approaching start date, though it's difficult to expect everyone to check every day without knowing how busy each person is.
I thought I had remembered seeing the respawn rate poll up yesterday, but most likely I just wasn't paying much attention. It'd be a nice feature to have the duration of each poll on the Polls page, but that's another thing for Chris that he probably doesn't want to do.
I understand how you came to create the current poll, but I don't agree with it. Personally, I voted to not increase the current vision distance. In the current poll, I felt that I didn't have a choice which adequately represented me, so I chose I don't care even though I do. The setup of the current poll seems biased towards those who want an increase in vision distance, and doesn't offer an answer for those who want to keep it the same.
My point is, why would you even consider the idea of a 25% increase in vision distance when 45% of the players don't want it increased at all? To me, what you did is not really averaging the results, it's negating half of the population. To represent those who wish it not be increased, you implement the lowest increase percentage. That's averaging it.
Also, I agree with Ernie that I do not see how increasing vision distance will reduce camping at all. I actually see it doing the opposite. For instance, if you're camping south rocks, you want vision in every choke so that the enemy doesn't come on your back and surprise you. How will increasing vision make it easier for a squad to break a camp? It won't. Now you can just see them coming from farther away.
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Gentlemen
Feb 5, 2016 9:54 PM
Dave your numbers are skewed though, it takes forever to get up to 75 (a lot more than 3 days). its not an accurate representation of our player base when it takes 2 weeks to get the extra 15 votes from 60 to 75
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Maddux
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Feb 5, 2016 10:01 PM
Dave, 56% of the population voted to increase the vision length. The logical next step was to decide between 10% or 25% because those were the two middle options of the first poll.
If you would like to see 10% instead of 25%, I would recommend voting for that, rather than wasting your vote by going option C, but that was your choice.
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Feb 5, 2016 10:18 PM
TEST FIRST, POLL LATER.
You can discuss and poll this shit all day, but its a waste of time if we all hate it when we actually test it out. First decide on what to test. Then test it. Then poll. I'm not a big fan of mass site polls however. I don't see why people who haven't even logged in to test anything have a vote.
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Kays Krew 3
Feb 6, 2016 12:52 AM
I didn't vote like dave said, I agree vision is poor at times but the map was opened up and vision appears to be a lot better to me. I would vote no because I believe the game would be less balanced. Ignoring the majority of the league to change the way it is now seems foolish to me. A 2/3 majority should be in order to change some important game settings not just over half. It is an obvious concern but mid is open and south is open. If you can't find the enemy within a minute or two then you shouldn't be discussing vision changes let alone playing the game.
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Kays Krew 3
Feb 6, 2016 3:04 AM
So why are we polling things we've never even tested? Why are people who don't even play anymore making polls about game changes?
Also why is the current poll so biased towards changing the vision length? Why a "or..I dont care" option and not a "no thanks" option? Did I miss a major poll or something in the past few days that actually had a no option? Because I do care about the changes, and I definitely care about the approach being taken towards the changes.
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Kays Krew 3
Feb 6, 2016 8:49 AM
Why does poll 29 add up to 101%?
That's not a logical next step to me. The logical step is to find common ground between those who want it and those who don't. It's a slim majority who want it, and you can't ask them how much to increase it by. The poll is asking everyone, but I don't want it increased, so I'm not going to vote for 10%.I don't believe it's worded in a way that offers a counter balance to those who want it increased.
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Gentlemen
Feb 6, 2016 10:42 AM
I love how we go from "let's fix camping and base raping" to "let's chafe respawn rate and vision!" I don't think any polls have been made to fix the problems, only creating more!
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Mizzouse
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Feb 6, 2016 12:13 PM
Here's an idea, if the committee is bent on change. Why hasn't the committee put a single cent into donating? Rip infantry on the 8th.